Call Clegg 2 October

October 2, 2014 2:04 PM
Originally published by UK Liberal Democrats

Watch as Nick Clegg takes your questions live in this week's Call Clegg.


This is LBC Call Clegg, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg takes your calls with Nick Ferrari at Breakfast. Call 0345 6060973 tweet at lbc973 text 84850. This is Call Clegg on LBC.

NC: Good morning this is Nick Clegg with Call Clegg on LBC and you can of course call me as ever. Do it right now if you want to get involved. The number is 0345 6060973 or you can email at and of course you can watch on So let's go straight to our first caller, Haidar in Epsom. Hello Haidar.

H: Oh hello good Mr Clegg.

NC: Morning.

H: How are you today?

NC: I'm alright.

H: Good excellent. I'm a GP in and around London area. And I have really a major issue with all political parties in terms of how the NHS is working and funded. If you just allow me just a minute to go through a few things with you. We at the current stage, general practice needs 10,000 GPs to keep the current work going on. So currently today we need 10,000 GPs. We are short on 10,000 GPs to do our basic daily work. Pledges from different parties in terms of getting appointments with a GP within two days or opening 8 to 8, working weekends are all welcomed. No GP, human being will object that patients cannot see the doctors at the time they want and they prefer. And I think in the Coalition yesterday, well I think David Cameron was speaking to the Conservatives on his own really, in terms of it is not civilised for patients to be only seen from Monday to Friday because illness doesn't have a limit. And he wanted to bring in Saturdays and Sundays 8 to 8...

NF: I have to move you to a question Haidar it's Nick Ferrari here by the way. I have to move you to a question because everybody wants to speak to the Deputy Prime Minister.

H: Yes of course Nick. Sorry.

NF: I'm sorry sir but if we can...

H: The question absolutely.

NF: Yeah thank you.

H: Of course. No, no, no, that's fine. I think the question is, is where are we going to get GPs if at the moment newly qualified doctors are refusing to come into general practice. Last year 450 newly qualified GPs [unclear cross talk 00:02:12]...

NF: Okay stay on the line. Let's get into Mr Clegg's reaction.

NC: Let me try and answer some of it. I mean firstly I am acutely aware that many GPs some of them I know personally, some of them I know obviously through my work in politics are feeling under considerable pressure. And you quite rightly say that if you're a GP feeling a little bit under, or under pressure, you just don't want to hear politicians constantly pile on the pressure by making pledges which you think aren't deliverable. So let's just sort of forget pledges for a minute and let's just actually examine what's happened. The fact is there are 1,000 more GPs now than there were when this coalition government came into office and that there are thousands more GPs in the pipeline being trained to become GPs. You say, I'm assuming you're saying: but that's not enough. Well I perfectly expect we need to expand the number of GPs, expand the number of trainees who want to become GPs and of course make the vocation, and it is a vocation as you know as well I do. My grandfather was a GP and I know quite what a lifetime's commitment it is. It's not just a sort of a job for many GPs. You need to make that vocation an attractive one. All I would say to you Haidar is that, yes we need to train up more GPs. There are thankfully more GPs than there were even four and a half years ago but we need more. I accept that challenge. But I would also say to you that one of the big changes in the NHS recently controversial though they have been has actually all been about making sure that GPs play a bigger rather than a smaller role in the NHS by playing a bigger role in deciding where resources go in the NHS. For far, far too long as you will know better than I do, decisions about where money is allocated in the NHS was taken by, in fact, entirely unaccountable local bureaucracies you know these primary care trusts that used to exist. We have now as you know put the authority to decide where money goes in the NHS into the hands of clinicians, GPs and others. Now any change can be disruptive at least for a temporary period of time. But that principle of giving GPs and clinicians the whip hand in deciding where money goes to in the NHS so that they can serve patients better are not simply not hospitalise patients I think is a very important changed and a positive one in the long run.

NF: A quick response from you Haidar.

H: Well that's all good. I mean as I said the theory is brilliant and we take a part in running our CCG where the money goes and where the funding is. But there's not enough funding. The 1,000 more GPs this year compared to last year is absolutely a joke. The Royal College of General Practitioners has announced we are 10,000 less GPs. Why doesn't politician listen, listen to those professionals. Why don't politicians ask their patient, why can't you see a doctor. So I mean you can't [unclear cross talk 00:05:03] because there are no doctors.

NC: Haidar I accept the challenge if you like on behalf of the political class. I also would, just gently would suggest to you that you must also accept the challenge that there are GP surgeries which already open in the evenings and at weekends. So there is already a level of innovation which you see in some GP surgeries which you don't in others. And we're perfectly entitled as sort of the members of the public to ask how can we make sure that that kind of access, increased access to GPs in one part of town is replicated in another part of town. That's a legitimate question it seems to me. On the cost pressures on the NHS, of course I accept that, everybody does. As you have an aging population you have an increasingly large number of people who are in hospital beds for a long period of time dealing with age related conditions. That puts a huge amount of financial pressure on an NHS which was designed bluntly many decades ago for a different population where people didn't live as long and didn't have such long age related conditions. That is the challenge we face in this country which is by the way a challenge that all health care systems across the developed world faces as the aging population changes the kind of demography of our nation.

NF: Haidar, thank you. We must move on to other matters. Mr Clegg where are we going now?

NC: David in Rainham. Hello David.

NF: David speak? David quickly? No? No last chance. I'll take this one straight through to. Claire in Reigate speak to Nick Clegg. Go ahead Claire.

C: Hi Nick.

NC: Hello Claire.

C: Morning. What do you think of them taking away tax discs?

NC: Say that again.

C: They have taken away tax discs that you put in your window.

NC: Well they're...yeah they're making it...

NF: Yeah these things...

NC: ...they're just putting it on to an electronic thing. Well look clearly if you're one of the many people who couldn't get on to the DVLA website and get it...

C: No I'm not talking about that. My traffic wardens, they are now enforcement office and community wardens just looked in the window to see if it was taxed or not. What are they going to do check every car?

NC: So sorry say that again Claire?

C: Well traffic wardens and community wards just looked in the windscreen and they could see whether people were taxed or not. So they're not going to check every car to see if they are taxed are they?

NC: Well they had to do that of course when they were looking at each tax disc so...

NF: What they'll have now f course, you've got to realise Claire there's a central computer database which...I call them traffic wardens...

NC: You just put in the number plate yeah.

NF: ...or whatever. Anyway they'll have access so much as they could see in the old days whether or not the car is registered. They'll have access virtually to the same, well they'll have access to the same database as the police.

NC: They do it through the number plate. So basically they put in the number plate and then electronically they'll be able see whether the car is taxed or not. I'm not sure to be honest Claire whether that from a traffic warden's point of view is anymore laborious than actually craning your neck to see the disc in the front window.

NF: One nasty thing is if you buy a car in the middle of the month Mr Clegg and I thought I'd make you aware of this you would no longer get the refund for the month...any months that are left and you have to re-tax the car yourself. So you buy a car...say you buy a car...

NC: Are you speaking Mr Ferrari from personal experience or...

NF: No I bought a car a couple of years ago. I bought one that uses as much petrol as it possibly can. I rev it till the starlings fall out of the trees on a regular basis. We move on to other calls.

NC: Jeremy Clarkson, eat your heart out. Who's the real gas guzzler?

NF: We move on to other calls.

NC: Kim in Eltham. Hello Kim.

K: Yes, hello and good morning Nick. Basically my question to you is why do we have to go to Iraq to tackle what you call it, ISIS when we have so much radicalism taking place in United Kingdom. Because I have seen with my own eyes what happens in the City of London. I hear it all the time what people are telling me, those people who this great country welcome with open arms, gave them house, gave them food, gave them free education and when I talk to them I know what they are talking about this great country.

NF: Alright let's get Mr Clegg in.

NC: Okay Kim. I guess my response is twofold Kim. Firstly, because we've been asked to. You know a plea of help went out from a government in a Muslim country, in Iraq and said, we need help to deal with these lunatics. They are doing a lot of the fighting on the ground, or all the fighting on the ground, the Iraqi Army and the Peshmerga in the North, the Kurdish North of Iraq. But they said to the international community help us from the skies. We need your help and that is what we're responding to. And I think in a sense there's lots of complexities to this but that was a rather simple choice. Do you respond to a plea for help or not?

The second thing is because Kim, unfortunately we know that what goes on over there has an effect over here as well. They're not two separate worlds as you suggest Kim because it's not just a question of sort of looking after our own so to speak and hoping that the problem further afield will disappear. We know that there are lots and lots of unfortunately impressionable youngsters who's minds have been warped by this vile ideology, by these barbarians in ISIL who go to Syria and Iraq and we've even seen, have you seen in the papers over the last couple of days this report of this 15 year old girl who they think...

NF: 15 year old girl from Bristol.

NC: ...they fear, exactly, who Somerset and Avon Police fear may have gone to Syria or Iraq. And of course, never mind what happens to them there, the great fear, and I was talking to the Metropolitan Commissioner, Bernard Hogan-Howe about this last week. The fear is of course if they come back, they will then seek to do us harm here Kim. So in this world, this is a problem like so many other problems in this world, we're all connected. We can't cut ourselves off from what's going on even though it might seem quite remote and far away.

NF: But to those who say that by allying ourselves with America which is seen as the great foe, potentially we put more British citizens at risk and we perhaps in a way enforce these Jihadists' ambitions or desires to come back and wreak havoc here in Britain what would you say?

NC: Well I'd say to that is that before we even had the debate in the House of Commons they were chopping off the heads of innocent Brits. I mean what more evidence do you need, that it wasn't our decision to participate. And by the way participate in a kind of jigsaw of military activity which is much, goes much wider than our participation. So we're providing some air strikes in Iraq but as you know there are a number of Arab States, it's very important this, Sunni Arab States in addition.

NF: Is it right that Turkey is now signing up?

NC: No I think today the vote is that about in the Turkish Parliament...I need to check I think the vote today is about whether Turkey will accept military ground activity from foreign soldiers on their soil.

NF: How key then might be if Turkey in some way joined?

NC: I think Turkey is absolute crucial.

NF: Why?

NC: Because of their location. A huge border with the area of conflict with Syria, because of the huge numbers of people coming in to Turkey fleeing ISIL and because of the possibility if you like of people going in to Turkey to do damage to Turkey or indeed further afield in the West or indeed people using Turkey as a transit. This girl we were talking about earlier, I think I'm right in saying that Somerset and Avon Police saw that she'd gone with a friend...

NF: From Lambeth to Istanbul yeah, absolutely right.

NC: To Istanbul yeah. So it is the front line state. It is the great ally if you like for us in the region and remember most importantly perhaps of all, it is a member of NATO and so it is of disproportionate importance Turkey. And our relationship with Turkey which is very strong and very close, I think is of huge significance right now.

NF: So you must have cheered to the echo on the subject of trying to stop this extremism and radicalism in this country [unclear 00:12:14] echo the speech by Home Secretary Theresa May but...

NC: No I did not. I thought it was one of the most misleading and outrageous platform speeches I've heard in conference season for a very long period of time.

NF: Trying to crack down on extremists?

NC: No, no. I thought you were going to refer to which is her, I thought absolutely appalling, I mean really this is a new low point in Coalition relations, her suggestion that the fact that Liberal Democrats had said to the 'Snoopers' Charter' which you'll remember was the proposal from Theresa May that the state should be able to store every website, Nick Ferrari, that you ever visit over a year, was putting children at risk. But of course the facts turn out to be the case, quite, quite different, that the reason that the national crime agency had to drop some of these cases was because IP addresses were not properly matched to individual mobile devices. And if we go back to your archives you will discover that I have been saying for months that that is a problem we should deal with and guess who has been dragging their feet to do something about it? The Home Office. So I think I'm entitled to feel a little bit aggrieved to hear a Conservative Home Secretary somehow claim that my party is putting children at risk when it's their inactivity which is doing just that.

NF: Have you had a conversation with her yet?

NC: I have made it very clear to her that I expect an apology from her from making such a false and outrageous claim.

NF: How do you do that as Deputy Prime Minister? Did you contact her office? I'm intrigued.

NC: No she's obviously been busy in wherever they were and I'll be going to Glasgow.

NF: Did you talk to her on the phone?

NC: No I've sent her a letter.

NF: Oh you have.

NC: Yeah.

NF: A strong letter?

NC: Yeah.

NF: Very strong?

NC: Yes. Now listen...

NF: A meeting with tea and no biscuits that sort of strong?

NC: ...often as you know I try and be very discreet and sort of all the rest of it about the kind of yaboo or the disagreements which might happen in government. I think to say about another politician particularly someone you're governing with, you are putting children at risk when it's not true, is a level of sort of outrageous misinformation I have to say I have not witnessed in the four and a half years I've been in this government.

NF: Shall we move on Deputy Prime Minister?

NC: Yeah Andrew in Docklands.

A: Yes hello there Nick. Yes I think Nick Ferrari was talking earlier about lower tax if you get an optimum tax take and you know Lasso [ph] the famous economist not that I agree with very much else he said but who you know has proven that it's a pretty much...

NC: Are you an economist Andrew?

A: No. I have run businesses for many years and I've got a great interest in how the banking system works and...

NC: You're also on a very dodgy phone. Can you move to your question because....

NF: Yeah, what's your question my friend?

A: My question is, I know that you don't think or perhaps I've got your wrong but as the question came that you wouldn't lower tax until you saw what the optimum tax rate was. And I feel that this is something who live off of taxes and of course our banking system, our government system and all these things are there living on taxes. You know they're not producing a profit for the economy these things...

NF: Okay so what it actually was... I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Andrew...the call, the quality is really poor, people are struggling. It was one of my contributors saying, this fantastic tax giveaway that the Prime Minister spoke of yesterday.

NC: The Lib Dem, the Lib Dem policy.

NF: No, this is the Conservative leader, I think you'll find.

NC: No, no, it's catch up Charlie service.

NF: Well I was watching the Conservative Conference, I don't know what...

NC: I've seen it, I've been watching the Labour and the Conservative Party Conference, or as much as I can bear. And the picture that is've got one party, the Labour Party, with no new ideas, and the other party with no new ideas of their own!

NF: last a real Tory [unclear 00:15:29], Cameron's seven billion pound tax away to the middle classes, more for the middle...Cameron makes his offer...Here Cams the won't be surprised. Cameron gives 30 million people a tax cut. Universal praise.

NC: Yeah, well of course it's not what they've been saying for the last four and a half years to Danny Alexander and myself. I mean, Danny Alexander and I said, look we've got to raise the tax allowance, and David Cameron and George Osborne, both would say, Nick, this is your tax break, why do you want to have this tax break, you're gonna have to give some other concession to us...there you go. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then...we're making progress.

NF: So you were furious as you listened to Theresa you listened to the Prime Minister, what was your reaction yesterday?

NC: No, no, no...listen. Clearly, a well delivered speech, and obviously a very well received speech if you look at the front pages today. I think it was a cynical speech, because one thing we know from the Conservative Party Conference now...its two things. We now two things for absolutely sure, which is the Conservatives were ever two become a majority government...and god help us if there's a Labour or Tory only government in this country after 2015. But if there were, two things would absolutely happen, we know for sure. The working poor become know, with almost undisguised relish, George Osborne announced in his speech that they wouldn't ask very wealthy people to pay a single extra penny in help with the black hole.

NF: The rich have never paid more than they are now.

NC: No, no. The axe will fall...the Conservatives have been very clear...the axe will fall...because there's always a price tag to everything, remember. You know, any giveaway, any unfunded giveaway, which we heard from David Cameron, has to be paid for. And the Conservative answer is, the only people who pay, the only section of the population they will pick, is the working age poor. And the second thing we now know is that public services, like social care, the police and other things, that people really rely on, will be absolutely decimated and cut to the bone. Because they refuse to ask anyone on much, much higher incomes to make any contribution as we complete the job of filling the black hole to our public finances. So well delivered, great aplomb, great praise...I really think it is gonna unravel big time over the next seven months. Because the British people want us to finish the job, of course, but they want us to finish the job fairly. And I think the more they look at this, they won't understand why the Conservative Party appears to be giving with one hand, and taking with the other. And I think, you know, I've seen this before in politics...I've now been in politics long enough, that things that are praised to the rafters, are often precisely the commitments that then unravel the most later.

NF: And Andrew's point...we've explored this...the idea of, I think it's called the Laffer Curve, isn't it, that in fact you get in more revenue...

NC: Oh, look at you...yeah! Oh look at you.

NF: I stayed up last night reading up on it!

NC: You're the economics...

NF: Honestly, and if you want the curve into linear expansion, I can do that for you on Friday!

NC: All out from your gas guzzler, yeah!

NF: Oh yeah, it's a big engine, it's a 4.8! Is there any it true that if you do in fact increase the taxing...or is it all just a load of old phooey would you say?

NC: That what?

NF: That you increase the taxing, actually...if you lower taxation you get in more revenue, this idea.

NC: Yeah, of course there's some truth to that, and also the reverse...that if you increase taxes to a certain amount, you get sort of diminishing returns.

NF: So what are we going to hear from you next week about tax, Mr Clegg?

NC: Ah, quite a lot, quite a lot...but I'm afraid...

NF: Can you give me a clue?

NC: No, no, you will have to, just the suspense. I know...I'm very grateful to the other parties, they've created this drum roll for the real meat and potatoes of the conferences.

NF: Do you feel frustrated going in third...not in third place, I'm sorry, it's just the way the conferences go.

NC: No, actually normally we're first. But we moved our conference, 'cause...well there was this little thing called the Scottish Referendum, which you may not...

NF: Oh, I see. So is there a degree of frustration?

NC: No, no, not at all. No, actually in many ways, as I said...from my point of view, it couldn't be more ideal. Because you've had a Labour Party going, haring off leftwards, with a leader who has...oops, forgotten to mention the biggest issue of the economy! And then you've got the Tory Party haring off, you know, in a right wing direction. I actually think there are a lot of people in Britain who want head and heart...they don't want this false choice between either economic incompetence, or this kind of, very kind of cruel approach to society that you see from the Conservatives. I think they want both...they want a party that can fix things, but things fairly. And that's the pitch we will make, and we'll be explaining a whole bunch of stuff around that. But no, the point I was gonna make about tax...

NF: Have you written your speech yet?

NC: I'm kind of...yeah, I've been sort of playing around with it a bit, yeah.

NF: How many people help you?

NC: Not that many. I talk to a number of people.

NF: Oh, you don't go wandering around Hampstead Heath...

NC: Well I do! I met someone the other day who said that she thought the Laffer Curve was really, was absolute nonsense.

NF: [Laughing].

NC: And amazingly, she reeled off a number of Lib Dems...yeah, I meet people in the park all the time, who are like floating voters for Lib Dems!

NF: I've got to give you this, 'cause it's so funny. I talked to somebody who said...after Ed Miliband's speech...he said he wanted ten...

NC: Was he called Gareth!

NF: Yeah...he wanted ten years...his best chance was armed robbery!

NC: No, but can I make a serious point. Which is a much bigger point, which is slightly different to this, you know, do you get more tax revenues in when you lower them or do you lose them as you put them up. There's a bigger point, which is that quite a lot of things we try and tax in this modern, footloose, fancy free economy of ours, are increasingly difficult to tax. And so what you've got, what the Economist...and was it Andrew?

NF: Yes, it was Andrew in Dartford, yeah.

NC: Yeah, I hope he's still listening. But I think you recognise is that you've got this thing called a shrinking tax base. In other words, the things we try and tax are pretty difficult to tax, because they're easy to avoid, and not tax. And that's why, for instance, this whole issue of how you tax...bricks and mortar, because they can't be offshore to the Cayman so important. You've got to, in the long run, have a tax base which can support public services, not just today but in decades to come. And I think that's a big, big issue that future governments will have to deal with.

NF: Right. We must move to other calls...we've talked too long. Mr Clegg...where are we going?

NC: Mark in Brentwood...hello Mark.

M: Yeah hi, good morning. I wanted to ask your point of view on the fact that European residents with non European spouses are allowed to live in the UK. Whereas English people with non European spouses have to go through immigration regulations.

NC: Erm Mark...are you talking about if someone wants to come...

M: If...for example, my cousin has a South American wife.

NC: Right, from where, just out of interest?

M: Well Brazil.

NC: Brazil, right yeah.

M: But if a cousin is Spanish...if they married a Brazilian, they can come straight and live in the country. Whereas UK citizens have to go through immigration, apply for a spouse visa, and Europeans don't...they can just come and live here.

NC: And did the Brazilian spouse of the Spaniard doesn't live...

M: It doesn't matter, whether it's South American, African, Thailand, anywhere...they have to get a spouse visa.

NC: Well...can I look into that and get back to you, Mark. Because, as you know, we have dramatically tightened up the number of people coming from outside the European Union. And I think, you know, that covers the point...I think the point you're making about your own situation, you're obviously being able to tell me better than I would that we have introduced new rules that if you want to...if someone wants to bring in a husband or wife from outside the European Union, they need to show that they've got certain earnings. Which means that that spouse would not be relying upon benefits, upon arrival in the United Kingdom. So I don't know whether that's the change of rules that you're referring to.

NF: Mark, stay on the to one of my team who will then pass it on...and I assure you, you will get a response from the Deputy Prime Minister.

NC: Yes, yes, you will.

NF: We always hope he'll forget, but unfortunately his team always day we might catch him! So stay on the line, Mark, we'll take your details.

NC: Martin in Bromley...hello Martin.

Ma: Good morning to you gentlemen.

NC: Hello.

Ma: Just a quick question, Mr Clegg. My four year old boy started school a fortnight ago, and just in passing conversation he mentioned that he wasn't allowed to eat sausages at school. When my wife questioned the teacher, we were told quite frankly that pork was never gonna be served in the school because it goes against some other members of the community.

NC: Right. Well Martin, without obviously knowing your school, where it is, what's the mix, what the headmaster...

NF: Does it make a difference, Deputy Prime Minister?

Ma: It doesn't matter where it is, it's a school in South London.

NC: Well, look, I don't know, do they provide other kind of sausages, do they have beef sausages...I mean, is they not provide sausages at all, or...?

Ma: Well my question is, why is my son being denied pork...nothing against him or his religion. But because it offends other people and other religions, they say they just won't do it.

NF: Martin, talk to one of my colleagues.

NC: But Martin, you could ask...I mean, I'm assuming you're doing this can easily ask the school to make sure that those children who don't eat pork because of religious grounds aren't given pork sausages, and your son and other children at the school are. I mean, that seems to be entirely for the school to do.

NF: Yeah...Martin, I'd like you to talk to one of my colleagues just now, because we will take that up with the school. I've never actually heard of that before...I've heard that there is always a halal alternative, and indeed sometimes a kosher alternative, which I think we'd all support. The idea there'd never be any pork products...but if that's what you're saying...we don't know, it's a bit unfair to the Deputy Prime Minister...let's find out more about. And sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, Deputy Prime Minister.

NC: No, no.

NF: Can I just do a couple of emails that are coming in.

NC: Yes.

NF: Rebecca in Bexley. Now that the police have confirmed that Alice Gross has been murdered, what does Nick Clegg say about the free movement of Europeans with regard to the...well hang on...the Latvian suspect...let's change that. This is, of course, Scotland Yard confirming they're looking for Arnis Zalkalns, who is of course known to have murdered his wife...and we'll call him a suspect, Rebecca...

NC: Yes, Rebecca, forgive Nick Ferrari has just anticipated, I've got to be a little bit careful to make assumptions know.

NF: Yeah, but the free movement of people.

NC: Yeah, well we talked about this last week. I think, Rebecca, the point here is, clearly, if someone has committed a very serious crime in one European country...and look, by the way, this could be about Brits who have committed terrible crimes here, been to prison, released from prison, are free to go. Then the question is, once you've done your time, are you then free, like everybody else, to travel elsewhere in the European Union. I think it's probably not reasonable to say, well no you've done your time, and you have to then be imprisoned, if you like, within the Cliffs of Dover, so to speak But here's the big thing...and this is what I think the fundamental flaw is, least the police, and the probation authorities, and the judicial authorities should be exchanging, systematically, information. This is really easily done this, 'cause everyone has got databases of the serious criminals who have done their time. That should be made available, it seems to me, on a database, which is accessible to all European member states. So that you, you know, you know who's travelling across the European Union and what they've done in the past. I don't think, candidly, Rebecca, you can say, when somebody has done their time, you then kind of say that they're kind of grounded...whether it's in the UK or elsewhere. I do think what is deeply flawed in the system at the moment...and that's why we are pushing very hard to change this, and sort this that there should be much more information exchanged, so we know who has got a very serious criminal offence to their name.

NF: One last one before we come back to the calls...this is from Norma in Leicester. Do you have a pair of Paisley pyjamas?

NC: [Laughing]. No I don't! Sorry, I only laughed 'cause I think I know who you're referring to, Norma. But it's so kind of wonderfully sort of British, in a way, that thing that people seem to be remembering more.

NF: I can't believe I'm about to ask this, but do you wear pyjamas...I feel bad, I feel quite grimy as I ask it.

NC: Have you been asked to ask this?

NF: No I haven't actually...this is just purely for myself! I'll see someone about that question...

NC: Yes, but they're not Paisley.

NF: ...let's, we'll cut that one, 'cause it's not live, let's cut that one.

NC: They're ever so trendy!

NF: Okay, so you wear pyjamas...that story though...this is called [unclear 00:26:56] Newmark, who had to resign after he was caught texting pictures of his nether regions. Was that fair journalistic enterprise, or was it entrapment?

NC: It's right he should resign, completely.

NF: But the Sunday Mirror newspaper, that exposed the story...

NC: Yeah, but the Sunday Mirror, if I understand it correctly, have apologised to the women whose photos they used.

NF: Yeah.

NC: So I think they've been quite upfront for that. And this new body, IPSO, has said they're looking into it. But you know, I think it was right that he resigned because...well [unclear 00:27:27], he said...and I'm not gonna start second guessing how it came about, except that I think it was right, by the sounds of it, that the Sunday Mirror said to the women, who's photos they used...

NF: Was it a fishing trip...they tried a lot of Conservative MPs?

NC: I'm you know, I think it was right he resigned, and I think it was right the Sunday Mirror did that, it's right that IPSO is looking into it now. I'm not gonna start...I just think, we've been through this so many times before. The moment politicians start giving a running commentary on what they think the press should and shouldn't know. The press...

NF: Yes...can we stop talking about your pyjamas...shall we just move on.

NC: You raised it!

NF: I'm gonna need help after this...I'm gonna need help! Let's go to other calls.

NC: Well you need a cleaner, greener car!

NF: Well if you're buying!

NC: Bob in Walton-on-Thames...hello Bob.

B: Oh hello Nick and hello Nick.

NF: Hello Sir.

B: My view is, when are you gonna start spouting proper Liberal Democrat other words, the policies that I voted for you in 2010. For the first time ever I voted Liberal Democrat, because you inspired me. And since then you've disappointed me. The Liberal Democrat Party seems to be a party of men for all seasons. And if I'm to vote for you again, you've really got to start spouting the policies you spouted before that last election.

NC: Did you say spouting? I can do better than...Bob, I can do so much better than spouting. I can deliver policy after policy after policy that you voted for. The fact that now people aren't gonna be paying any income tax next April, until they earn £10,500 is because of us. The fact that we've got more young people on apprenticeships in this country than ever before is because of us. The fact that we've got the highest cash increase in the state pension ever is because of us. The fact that we've got poor kids doing better in schools because of the pupil premium is because of us. The fact that we've got young kids in primary school getting healthy meals at lunchtime is because of us. The fact that we've got two year olds for the first time ever getting 15 hours of free preschool support is because of us. The list goes on. I mean, look Bob, I get the whole...

NF: Do you know, he did that without notes!

NC: The list goes on Bob. Look Bob, I get the whole thing about, oh you shouldn't have gone into coalition and all the rest of it...we went into coalition for very, very good reasons. Because no one won the election...I wish I was Prime Minister but I'm not, we didn't win the election. And the country was in real shtick, and we pulled the country back from the brink, repaired the economy, and we've now got...we've got hundreds of thousands more people in employment because of what we did. I'm immensely proud of what we did. And so Bob, I would say to you, I might not persuade you, but I'm incredibly proud of what we've done. And far from spouting stuff, we're delivering stuff, and we're gonna deliver more if we're in government again after next May.

NF: Now, I'm just going to interrupt there, Deputy Prime Minister...I look forward to joining you at your Conference in Glasgow. And I have to say, I've done very well, and I had a lengthy conversation with Nigel Farage in Doncaster, I spoke with the Prime Minister in Birmingham...Ed Miliband was too busy wandering around Hampstead Heath. But in my conversation with the Prime Minister, I did talk to him about your ongoing tennis challenge, and it would appear you've got him rattled.

NF: [Recorded] You keep beating my broadcasting partner, Nick Clegg at tennis.

DC: [Recorded] It's only been a couple of games.

NF: [Recorded] This is becoming an embarrassment, because he was captain of tennis at a very decent school. Can I put it to you, you're having some form of additional coaching, or you take extra training at weekends. Because on paper, he should win. Prime Minister, how do you do it?

DC: [Recorded] Well it's not dodgy line calls that are...that's an option obviously, but it's not. I love playing tennis, and I do have...

NF: [Recorded] Have you got one of those serving machines installed?

DC: [Recorded] No, I have the odd lesson, when I get a moment. I find it a good way of staying fit, and keeping your eye on the ball.

NF: [Recorded] Right.

DC: [Recorded] But luckily, so I've played Nick twice, and so far it's two nil...I think it's time to hang the racket up and not have another game.

NF: [Recorded] Oh, you can't be saying, seriously!

NF: But he was.

NC: He's running scared!

NF: Yeah, he's got to be running scared, on every front.

NC: He nicks my policies, and won't play me at tennis.

NF: No new balls though.

NC: Got him on the run! Got him on the run there!

NF: But I'm aware that of course you sometimes need a tennis partner.

NC: Yes.

NF: I was wondering if I could drag you into something called Global's Make Some Noise. Which of course, Global is the parent company of LBC, and Make Some Noise is a national charity helping disadvantaged youngsters across the's almost like I'm reading this. And we'd love you to get involved and help raise as much money as you can. Is there any...

NC: By playing tennis?

NF: Yeah.

NC: With whom?

NF: Well not with me actually. I was thinking of actually being the ball boy, and you could write all the Lib Dem policies on the back of my pants, on my arse...'cause there would be so much you could do...every time I bent down to...listen you'll get lower tax, and vote this, and more education!

NC: That'll give Bob a shot!

NF: No, I might be the umpire, I might be the umpire. And what I thought is, we have someone working in the studio for her, our sister station, called Andrew Castle.

NC: Of course!

NF: Former Britain Number One.

NC: Absolutely.

NF: What we're going to do is, if you and Andrew...

NC: You don't want me to play against Andrew!

NF: Yes...

NC: He'd wipe the floor...oh you do!

NF: Yes, that's right. What we're gonna do is we're gonna auction off to the highest bidder, you and Andrew, and someone will pay money to be your partner and bring his or her friend along...obviously if it's...

NC: But I can't play with Andrew?

NF: No, you'll play against Andrew. And these two people will have...but I will be the umpire. So any dodgy line calls...

NC: Right...that doesn't help, you being in the Umpire's chair. I would love to do that, yeah...when is that...I'd love to do that.

NF: The auction takes place next's all for Make Some Noise...can we sign you up?

NC: Yes.

NF: You're a good egg, thank you. And I promise you, all the dodgy line calls will go your way.

NF: I'll need it...I'll need it against Andrew Castle.

NF: Andrew Castle is there, Nick Clegg is there...we'll tell you how you can get involved in Make Some Noise. Nick Clegg, thank you.

NF: Thank you.

NF: I will see you in Scotland. Thank you very much for taking part in Call Clegg, here on LBC.